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My right hon. Friend is exactly right.

One of the things we would very much like to see is a full set of figures from the Government, but my hon.

I could not have made the point better than my right hon. Friend. I have one final question before I conclude: what was all this for?

I will in a moment—I was hoping the Minister might have answers, but he does not.

I was indeed extremely shocked by that statistic; that is one reason why we need to have this debate today and try to get some of the data o

I do not want to fall into the same trap as the hon. Lady did when she made those accusations.

My hon.

I will continue, because I know that many Members wish to speak this afternoon—at least on the Opposition Benches.

My right hon.

My hon.